Jan. 26, 2021

Welcome to the Disney Thunderdome: The Two Bryans

Welcome to the Disney Thunderdome: The Two Bryans

We welcome Bryan Lee, Host of United We Fan: The Podcast and Brian Ferguson from Mouse Ears and Magic to the second Disney Thunderdome. The two men will face off in a scored debate on three Marvel Based Topics: The Original Avengers, Women of the MCU, and Villains. Each man must draw upon his podcasting skillset and knowledge to emerge victorious in this new format. We welcome D. Willey and J. Williams to the show as guest judges to help us score the argument. This episode was LIVESTREAMED and uploaded without edit to our new YouTube Channel for premier which can be found at: 

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Transcript
Marc Valentine:

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Brian Ferguson:

Man, I don't know.

Bryan Lee:

Ill be our 2800 That's all right, I'm obscure enough.

Marc Valentine:

We have a Bryan with a Y and a Brian with an "I" that are going head to head both of these guys. We have so we have a private chat. And both of these guys go at each other and the private chat and they have not go at each other but

Bryan Lee:

it's Civil

Marc Valentine:

it's it's civil, but they they really like they've really impressed the heck out of everyone else that just sits back and enjoys their Marvel knowledge. So I we had a little scheduling conflict this week. And as some of you know that I had been talking about other guests, but we had some scheduling conflicts with some other guests that could make it and I assembled these guys like the Avengers and I said hey, gentlemen, let's get together on Sunday night. And let's tape an all Marvel episode. Let's go into the Disney Thunderdome and we're gonna pit Bryan against Brian for their Marvel knowledge and then the three of us are going to sit back and enjoy the popcorn. So James brought the popcorn with Dwayne. Dwayne always brings Duane's got the popcorn as well. I forgot my popcorn tonight. But I'm running moderator so I don't get to enjoy it like I did at the last UFC fight. But we're here to thoroughly enjoy this gentlemen. And for those of you too, so we're recording this in a live stream that's going to go on YouTube, a little bit different.of a recording for those of you that are listening to us on Apple podcasts, and Spotify and everywhere else that you can find all of our our stream. So this is being taped live. So if it sounds a little different if the podcast this week has a little different flow. It's because we are we are taping this episode live and we're putting it up there. You can find this over at our brand new YouTube as well. But head over to our socials and you know, engage with us. We're gonna have this put up there as well. It's just a really fun episode. So gentlemen, I'm ready. Let's go in to the Disney Thunderdome. Here we go. Alright guys, so as Tina Turner says two men enter or one man, one man leaves. That's how this works.

Bryan Lee:

Who's Tina Turner in this scenario?

Marc Valentine:

I am. James James is James is going to be Ike in this relationship. But the way that it works again, for those of you who did not get a chance to catch the launch of the Disney Thunderdome, we we score three separate topics on the live stream, we did hotels, we did attraction, and that we did Disney the country in Epcot. The way that it works is we set the topic, we've already flipped and determined who goes first. Bryan Lee won the toss but differed on the first topic. So Bryan, what that means is you're going to be you're going to be going second and arguing second on the first and third topic. Brian, you're going to get the pole position on our first and third topic. And then Brian gets to go on the second. You guys have already been told what the topics are for the audience we have. So we have three Marvel topics tonight that these are our Marvel gurus. We've asked them to debate three topics and we've given them about two hours notice before they were heading into the Thunderdome, so they have not had a tremendous amount of time to plan. And the rules are as such, there's three topics once a person chooses something from the topic, it's off the table, and then you cannot pick it again, you have to argue for another vantage point. So the first thing that we're going to do and all three of these, it's the prompt is essentially the same, who would win in a battle. And we've broken that down into three categories. They're not weight classes, we've broken them down by different groupings for our heroes. So for the first topic, you only get to choose from a small subset of heroes. The first topic is if you had to choose an original Avenger from phase one of the MCU, who would you pick to win in a fight. If someone takes a person off the table, you have to choose another you can't choose a duplicate the second topic, and then this is the topic Bryan Lee that you get to go first on are women of the MCU. And we're also going to include we've agreed to the rules that fox properties are allowed. You can choose anything from the five properties as well, as long as it's a Marvel property on Disney plus or a part of the Disney stable. It's it's fair game. So any of the heroines from or even villains, as long as it's a female from the MCU. It's okay. And then finally, the third topic will be villains. Again, we're going to allow from Fox properties as well as the MCU. So all of the x men movies are at play, the Fantastic Four movies are at play, you can pull in, I don't know, I don't even know what you guys have chosen. But all of those are fair game. And then judges, this is how you're going to score it. We're going to whoever has drawn first. So the first topic, Brian Ferguson is going to go first he's going to pick and argue Brian's going to counter him, they're going to have a chance to directly rebut each other too. So like after Brian, and then after both of them go, then we're going to go back to the original presenter and you can if so if Brian Lee has been said anything, you can contradict him and then and then Brian, you can go back and contradict anything that that came there. So it's, it's basically you make your argument, your opponent makes their argument, we have a chance to directly go at each other in a very quick back and forth. And then James, you'll vote on who you thought won the round. Dwayne, you'll vote on who won the round. If you guys have split that's the only time that I'll make a vote and a decision and it's based upon the argument and the merits of the argument. And then we have the best of three. If you take the first two the Thunderdome is over it's it's it's an automatic knockout. But if we need to go to a third and final round, then we'll do that two. Gentlemen, do you understand the rules?

Brian Ferguson:

Yep, I understand.

Bryan Lee:

Yeah, good. I'm ready.

Marc Valentine:

All right. Gentlemen, welcome to the Thunderdome. Alright, Brian Ferguson, you're up first. So again, the topic is who would win in a fight these are all the same thing who would win in a fight? I'm turning it over to you. You are drawing first on the first topic. You get to choose from Marvel Phase, one only in the MCU. So there's a very small amount of heroes that can choose. So we'll talk about of the original Avengers. Who do you want?

Brian Ferguson:

Okay, so I went back and forth on this one. It was really hard because man Hawkeye is my guy. Now. I was playing It really it really came down to two guys for me. And one of them is Tony Stark and the other is Thor odinson. And I went with Thor on this one.

Marc Valentine:

Wow,

Bryan Lee:

dangit.

Marc Valentine:

Oh, yeah, I knew that was happening.

Brian Ferguson:

And I was really hoping I could get picked first on this. But since Brian deferred to me, I had to take it so you know, Thor, he's a god, right? You can conjure lightning, and he's the cosmic being. You know, there's, I don't think there's anybody else on the team that can handle that. In phase one.

Bryan Lee:

I'll counter with there's one guy who can counter that and his name is Steve Rogers. That that guy can wield Moljnir near Now I know what you're saying is he couldn't will Moljnir near in Avengers Age of Ultron. He's already cleared up all those all those past sins. And now he's able to willed Moljnir, but just the simple, Steve Rogers is as ideal American ideals in their finest. He has the Super Soldier Serum, but he was brave. He was strong, not physically but strong, emotionally strong. And his character up until he actually got that super soldier serum and then he just there's nobody that is as convincing of a hero as Steve Rogers.

Marc Valentine:

Now, before we go back for any kind of direct counterpoints, I do want to point out too gentlemen and Brian this might this might come into play. I'm making you choose from the original Avengers. However, if it shows up in film, it can happen so all of that is fair game wielding Moljnir is fair game and anything that happens outside of the first phase of Marvel is a okay Brian so if you want to bring anything in for Thor and his development, and the just the way his powers grow, oh, just for both of you. It's all good for all three of these categories as long as it shows up in the MCU the category you're choosing from doesn't limit what you can debate you can debate all of it. Okay, so Brian, back to you, buddy.

Brian Ferguson:

Well, that's fine. I mean, yeah, he did wield Moljnir. And you know he is Steve Rogers I'm not taking that away from him. He is a great great superhero. But strength speed you know, Thor can fly and he could rain down some some serious blows on a man I know he's got a shield. But I mean, we saw in Oh, crap. We saw that that Moljnir near doesn't have an effect on the on the shield in some way. Please help me out. Yeah.

Bryan Lee:

Avengers Yep,

Brian Ferguson:

yeah, when he cracked down on him, but you know, it didn't really phase Thor either. So well, it pretty much brought everything

Marc Valentine:

It knocked him out right.

Brian Ferguson:

He's still in the fight? Yeah. But

Bryan Lee:

yeah, so I mean, Moljnir is a is a worthy worthy weapon like don't get me wrong here like if I was choosing first or would have been my choice to but Steve Rogers is a is a worthy and don't let that faze the judges down there, Steve Rogers still deserves to win this entire category. But to your to your point, like Moljnir is as strong but the Vibranium shield it's the first existence of Vibranium. In the MCU Howard Stark, gave that that shield over. Peggy Carter wanted to shoot Steve Rogers and it saved his life very, very early on. But the shield is there's nothing to to downplay that shield. It's his. It's as iconic, and it's as valuable to Captain America as it is Moljnir to Thor. Now, that being said, the simple fact that Steve Rogers picks up a taxi door in Captain America The First Avenger and still holds that as a shield shows just how brave he is even without that shield. And again, he's a human being who can wield the power of the gods. And nobody's looking to Thor for to get them amped up and ready to go into battle. Even rocket says it that Hey, Steve Rodgers is pretty good at that. So that guy will get you absolutely amped up to go into battle. And then he shows it in Avengers Infinity War. When all everybody's coming in the outriders and everything. Captain America and to T'chala Black Panther are running farther ahead than everybody else.

Brian Ferguson:

Well, that's fine. I mean, he's got it man, but I mean, you know, he's still a man...

Marc Valentine:

Duane, so. Again, again our judges you're more than welcome. So judges if you need a clarifying question to like, feel feel free on this, if you need a little, a little something that needs to get answered by either one of these guys or both, you're more than welcome to, because I listened deliberate away. So Dwayne, I'll let you go first. If you if you know already you can vote but if you need any if you need any follow ups again.

Duane Willey:

Yeah, I like the argument. Obviously, both Brian's have a good argument. When I was thinking of this question, you had kind of, you know, put that out there so that we all knew what the question was. I had one in mind as well. And because of that, I'm gonna go ahead and go with Brian with an "I" and Thor. Okay, so that's my vote, Brian.

Marc Valentine:

All right, right. Brian's got one vote, James.

James Williams:

All right. So I do have a question.

Marc Valentine:

Okay.

James Williams:

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna break it down a little bit for those who aren't really into Marvel. So if we're going with Captain America, or Steve Rogers can yield Thor's hammer. Then don't we have to consider the fact that Steve Rogers is at the end of endgame went back to his old self. I mean, he's an old man now.

Marc Valentine:

No, he possessed number Don't forget when he goes throughout time, and he's he's carrying Moljnir with him. He had it. He had it with him I mean, he

Bryan Lee:

returns it. Yeah, he when he goes to put the stones back, he also takes the Moljnir to put it back. So so we can set the timeline, right. But I hold on to the fact that Steve Rogers still holds the quantum realm and the quantum realm suit the pim suit, and he has the ability to come back in any manner in which he needs to, but he was in with every bit of his right to go and be selfish and love his lady for a long time.

Marc Valentine:

That a great question, James.

James Williams:

So okay, so that Bryan with a y you get me there with the with the suit that he can come back at any time. So I'm going to mark this one's on you. First one.

Marc Valentine:

Right away, guys.

James Williams:

And like I said, You know, I was I was learning Thor, you know, but I had to get that clarification, that if we're going all the way to endgame to where, you know, we know he can, you know, yield Thor's hammer, then we also have considered the fact that Yeah, he decided

Marc Valentine:

this is hard. This is hard for me because I, I would have picked these two go ahead Dwayne you

Duane Willey:

Yeah. But Thor is still a god.

Marc Valentine:

He is...

Duane Willey:

So we we have to we have to take that into consideration. He's like, He's the God so yes, Steve Rogers can can, you know, wield the hammer. But Thor's a god so I mean. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I like I said, you know,

Marc Valentine:

yeah, I listened to and I was saying, because Dwayne, you you bring up an amazing... I'm glad I threw it to you because it was something that I was gonna I was gonna say as, as part of my my deliberation. If I had to pick the two you know, these are easily for me, like my, my emotional favorite. And then the one that I think is that I came into the argument thinking was, was the best one that I would probably have picked in a fight. And like, if, if I had to choose by heart and by virtue like Captain America, like he's the unquestioned leader of the Avengers, and I would dare I would say, if if Thor showed the same heart and determination as Steve Rogers i think i think he would be the most powerful being in the universe because he's He is a God The problem with Thor is, listen, homeboy, he is lazy. He is very lazy, and he's kind of complacent. And he like he is the definition of resting on your laurels for about 99.99% of of the Infinity saga. Even even in the final fight, homeboy is like weighing in way more than he should be at that time. He has Just let himself go. And his mom is like, you know Thor, like eat a salad.

Duane Willey:

it's a fight now though. It is a it's not a character debate.

Marc Valentine:

It's not and that and that's why Brian you're gonna you're gonna take it with you're gonna take it with Thor and I'm going to give you my vote, cause even at his worst state, he is still he is still that powerful and he's still that mighty. I dare I say like if Thor got has you know what together? I think I think that people would be like, he put everybody on notice like Captain Marvel included in that. But the fact remains is, he is just he's kind of like an underachiever in terms of it.

Bryan Lee:

Whoa..,

Marc Valentine:

come on, it takes until the MCU it takes it till Ragnarok before he even has an epiphany, about whence from whence his power flows like. Until then he thought he thought Moljnir was a crutch. It wasn't until he had that, like that spiritual plane discussion with Daddy, that he really realized that that's just a way to channel his power. You don't need the hammer. The hammer is just it that that's your conduit. I like it was like his pacifier of sorts, and you know, then he gets Stormbreaker. And then he kind of laughs And he's like, No, I'll take the big one. He's happy to give Moljnir to Steve Rogers because he's like, No, no, I want the bigger one. But it's it's Thor dude you definitely take the first one but cap has my heart He's always have my heart?

Bryan Lee:

Yeah, like to go against myself. Like I my entire argument was based on the man is worthy of lifting Moljnir and he didn't get there until several years later, like this other man has been worthy, with the exception of the first half of the first movie to wield Moljnir the entire time like the Stormbreaker can summon the by bifrost. Like that is one heck of a bottle opener. Yeah, guys got there.

Brian Ferguson:

Yeah, no doubt,

Bryan Lee:

Melted ice cream melted ice cream Thor though. Like don't, don't. Don't be too Don't be too rough on him, man. Like he was cocky in Infinity War. And that's what put him into that depressive state. Don't be too mean to him.

Brian Ferguson:

Yeah, the if he have went from the head... .

Bryan Lee:

He was just too cocky. He wanted to rub it in Thanos' his face. And it.

Marc Valentine:

It worked out. It didn't worked out. That was an amazing first round surprise. Brian went from Mouse ears and magic podcast, you're off to an early lead. And now let's see if the strategy pays off. Ladies and gentlemen. Brian, Bryan from United We fan. You get youre drawing first on women of the MCU. Now remember, you can you can pull in Fox properties on this as well. So you can choose from, from the slate of the Fantastic Four from the x men. And from from the villains as long as they are from the females of Marvel will just say, Alright, here we go round to Brian, you're up.

Bryan Lee:

I don't know if it was strategy as much as it was just pure idiocy for choosing to go second, but that's fine. I but I mean, the biggest reason why I think I wanted to choose. Second is I think this particular category has one clear favorite. And I think we all know who that is. I considered Shurri, I considered several other female characters. I'm not going to list them just in case. Brian Ferguson hasn't thought of them yet. But the clear answer is Carol Danvers. And there's no better female character to bring down the house literally bring down the ship. I mean, Scarlet Witch, Marc, you talked about it. We have, we're scratching the surface as to what she's capable of. She was beating Thanos, but then the entire rain fire happened. And who, who stops Thanos' ship from raining fire? It's Carol Danvers. I mean, and she takes down Thanos' his entire sanctuary two ship she just does I mean, the the woman's got it all. And if Thanos didn't Jackknife the quantum realm, she would have already returned all the stones at this point.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, no. Yeah. All right, Brian, you're it's an uphill battle.

Brian Ferguson:

Yeah, Captain Marvel is definitely a that was on my list. I've got a I've got a long list. But since we're able to go XMen too I'm actually going to go with the dark Phoenix on this one. The reason being is because

Duane Willey:

not a good movie but a good character.

Brian Ferguson:

Yes. The reason being is because I think that she kind of taps into those powers that that in before she became dark Phoenix Jean Grey. She She has no idea what she's what she is at that point. She's being coached by Professor X. And and then she lets I guess, the villain side of her takeover. And she's very, very powerful. I don't think there's much that can stop that. That character that that supervillain she has the mind powers and stuff. I think she could take Carol Danvers down pretty easily.

Bryan Lee:

I would say easily he's a little bit. Maybe

Brian Ferguson:

Maybe not easily, but

Bryan Lee:

Jean Grey after she's kind of after she's kind of mastered the power of the Phoenix. Yeah, like, I mean, she's, she's powerful. She's the most powerful x Man and Wolverine fans, like get in line. He's like, eighth or ninth. Like he's not. He's not near the top like Wolverines. Awesome. And if whenever it's not In Wanda/Vision Mark I'm sorry to say whenever the MC or whenever the MCU gets x men, if we don't get a yellow Wolverine suit, I'm really just gonna cry but

Brian Ferguson:

I was like 3 foot tall. Yeah,

Bryan Lee:

but Jean Jean Grey is Jean Grey is a good choice. I was afraid that's where you're gonna go with Hela like hella freaks me out to like, I'm glad you didn't go there the goddess of death, Thor's sister, but I just think Carol Danvers has it on lock. She's got this relationship with Nick Fury and all the government agencies that come along with that, that help her act in whatever manner. She is part of this Avengers Council in Avengers endgame. And she is literally policing the entire galaxy. While the Avengers needs six people to simply hold down one planet. You've got rocket and roadie and Natasha and all these people in there for the most part rockets around the galaxy. But Carol Danvers is the one force throughout the galaxy that that nobody can, can really touch nobody can mess with. And the second she shows up. Sure, she can't end the battle with Thanos, it takes Tony Stark to do that. But she completely flips it on its head, because if she doesn't show up, they they don't win.

Marc Valentine:

So here's here's a question too, as you guys are doing, you know, and Any further debate, so I'd really like to lead this off just as a clarifying question, but we don't. And again, I think this is just partly because the movies are just so bad. You know, both both. How do you how do you mess up two iterations of the dark Phoenix? I mean, in both and both instances, like they really they really did not do the character right by the source material. But do you think that like her her power, she's again, she's also a cosmic being. And you know, poor old, Jean Grey, becomes a victim of this cosmic entity. And it enhances Jean Grey to the point of where, like, even in those films, we don't quite know the extent of her power, we get a good understanding of what Carol is capable of. But do you think that like the cosmic powers, this is to both of you? Do you think the cosmic powers of Jean Grey can dismantle on an atomic level? Can I Can that take out Carol because that seems to be in my, in my mind, that's the biggest threat to Carol is to be disassembled, on a molecular level, not being impaled. And I mean, cuz you see her threat to most of the people on earth? Is she impales them accidentally or, you know, she she had, my question is, does she have what it takes to destroy captain marvel at the very core of like an atomic level before Carol can can land a crushing blow? that either one of you can answer that because that's going to be what I what I need?

Bryan Lee:

I'll let Brian Ferguson go first.

Brian Ferguson:

Well, I mean, yes, I do believe that. I don't think that because Carol Danvers is essentially a human that was thrust into these powers that she got kind of like Steve Rogers. And, you know, Jean Grey had her powers to begin with, she just hasn't tapped into them. Where we've seen her in all the x men movies up to Apocalypse and the dark Phoenix movie. Absolutely think she could.

Bryan Lee:

So I I would say that the Cree Supreme Intelligence as well as the Cree blood that she has flowing within her now the Cree Supreme Intelligence when you talk about not doing it full justice to what the comics have done. They I I don't know if I agree with the with the route that they took in, in Captain Marvel. But, but I I don't know the Kree blood flowing through her definitely, definitely would help prevent from being broken down molecularly but the telekinetic powers the all that kind of stuff like Jean Grey? I don't I just I don't think she'd get the chance. I don't.

Marc Valentine:

Okay,

Bryan Lee:

I think I think Captain Marvel I think Carol wraps her up and stops that from ever becoming an issue.

Marc Valentine:

All right. Well, I mean, that that's all I would want to know. I'm not gonna vote unless these two guys can't come to a decision. But I I heard everything that I need to hear if I need to cast the tie breaking vote. James, what do you think? Do you have a question? Do you have a question? Or are you ready to vote? Go ahead, my brother.

James Williams:

Well, first I gotta say this. Game night has ruined me Marc. Because every time they say Carol, I immediately think Carol Baskin. I blame you for that my friend.

Bryan Lee:

Grind. It's all up into Tiger food, man. Don't worry about it.

James Williams:

I can't I can't get past that. So no, I gotta say that man, Captain Marvel. She's She's a force. And I really don't know that much about dark Phoenix. Other than, you know, I didn't I couldn't get in. I mean, the movie it was horrible. Like, like y'all said it already but, you know, it was hard for me to really get anything from it. So I gotta go Captain Marvel.

Duane Willey:

Yeah, um, you know, I guess, when I was sitting here listening to your arguments, I think there's some unknowns with Jean Grey, and the dark Phoenix. And I think they actually, because they are still unknown. We don't know for sure, you know, with just some of her powers. I and we're seeing on display in the movies, obviously, the Captain Marvel powers. I also in this case going with Captain Marvel.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, not that my votes not gonna it won't matter. It won't. It won't matter, but it would have been a full sweep. It Listen, I the thing that the Brian Brian from Mouse Ears and Magic did what I what I would have had to is there. What costs Jean Grey almost all the time, is she's torn. She's not quite she's not quite sold and into being in the Phoenix. And she does hesitate with friends and she has like these hiccups, moral hiccups. And that's what allows her in both films to essentially be over overwhelmed. Carol Carol has no she has no delay in it like she would she wouldn't land that knockout. I think before before Jean and the Phoenix were able to reconcile with what was actually going on. I think it would be over.

Brian Ferguson:

Yeah, I accept that. And you know what? My second pick was? Hela, but I was I was kind of expecting you to hit that one. But yeah, hello,

Marc Valentine:

Hela. I thought that would have been a hella good fight. I was I was

Bryan Lee:

in my in like now that I've won I'm gonna I'm gonna peel my back my layers a bit. Carol Danvers is the obvious correct answer. I struggle with that character I genuinely do I struggle with the Superman complex of the whole thing of she's genuinely seems unbeatable. Like now we've got Megan McDonnell, who wrote this most recent glorious third episode of Wanda vision. She's teaming with Nia Nia de Costa to write Captain Marvel 2 I'm confident in them being able to build a story that really challenges not only Carol Danvers, but, but Monica Rambo and Kamala Khan and all of them that are going to be in this film. But that's my issue with Captain Marvel is I didn't love love that film. I love what it meant. I love all that kind of stuff. But I really struggle with the Superman complex of being being able to do that the Thanos' ship and not having a ton of consequences. Like she's too powerful for what we're used to in the MCU.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you, too. And I think her her absence from the majority of that film, it made it more enjoyable, because if she was, if she were there, I mean, there there's, there's just a discrepancy in how much power she displays. But then again, I'm also hopeful that in phase four, that with the introduction of the eternals and going cosmic, that we start to see that be offset by other by other cosmic beings a little bit. Yeah, because she right now it currently constituted like phase one, this she's she is number one, like it's not to she would win this category, she would easily win anything. Which is another reason why I tried to I've tried to break these down. Because Carol, Carol would be the obvious choice for all three of these. And there they do have, they have to creatively find a way to balance that moving forward. Because she's just overpowered. She would be the definition of like, when they update the software to nerf something in a game she needs to be nerfed. She does she needs to be nerf.

Bryan Lee:

And they will I think they'll come up with a compelling story to depower her like they really do.

Marc Valentine:

They have to I mean, she cuts through those ships like way too easily. But again, it like that was the payoff in that movie, too. It really fired me up. It wasn't a great movie, but in that moment, where she tore through the Kree starships, it fired, it fired me up I was like, Oh, yeah, like

Bryan Lee:

you needed this. You needed that scene to buy it in end game so she was gone for two hours. Absolutely.

Marc Valentine:

And you knew what was happening to when every single gun on the ship reversed course and started firing just into the into the abyss of space. You knew it was coming and like you got again, you got chill bumps knowing it's on. It's on. It's on now. Guys, we're tied up. We're tied up. This is it round round three for all the marbles. So this one we're going to go again round three, just in case you tuned in late villains of the MCU just like we did last round brought Brian went Brian went with a fox property he took dark Phoenix so I like to see that we crossed over a little bit. Same thing if you want to choose from any Fox Movies any fantastic 4 any x men villains of the Marvel Universe not just the MCU and let's see now if the strategy paid off Bryan from United We fan you deferred So Brian from Mouse ears and magic Brian with an I you're up first again, bud...

Brian Ferguson:

this is a tough one man I'm not gonna lie to you sticking with the MCU thing, theme and you know not diving into the more into the comic books. It made it really tough because there's a lot of good villains out there a lot of good villains. So my first pick was is a terrible movie, man. But I'm going with Galactus on this one. I mean, he is he Yeah, I mean, like I said, I know I'm I'm branching out a little bit. I wanted to go with Thanos but without the Infinity Stones i i don't think anybody's beating Galactus especially another villain. He's he destroys planets. I mean, he's he's a force to be reckoned with.

Marc Valentine:

Wow, yeah. And to let you know, too, before we came on air, we had a very lengthy discussion about Thanos and we we stripped Thanos of the Infinity Stones. So that if we said if you choose Thanos, it's got to be on his strength on his Guile on his on his power. We can't be enhanced by by having the Infinity Gauntlet because it's not a usual Arsenal for him. So we took we took that away. So I true Marcism. I don't hate it. Bryan from United fan. Go ahead, man. You're up.

Bryan Lee:

I mean, Apocalypse, other than being another just awful movie is not not a horrible choice. Galactus Oh, they I can't wait for him to come into the MCU because they really need to fix that.

Brian Ferguson:

Man you're not a joking. I agree with you.

Bryan Lee:

But I mean, the way he's portrayed. I mean, I'm 1,000%. shocked you went there to be 100% honest. Thanos. Like, still the guy even without Infinity Stones, tells Ronan what to do and guardians of the galaxy. Like he takes on Hulk he beats the living crap out of Hulk and and Ebony maw says let him have his fun. Like this is just sport for Thanos. So he's a force to be reckoned with. But I'm gonna go with Dormammu from Dr. Strange. The man is Dark Dimension destroyer of worlds. Dr. Strange didn't even beat him like Dormamu just got fed up by being stuck in a time loop that he led dr. strange go. I mean, which is like, looking ahead to multiverse of madness. Like dr. strange without the time stone is going to be bonkers. Like I don't, it's going to be interesting. But being stuck in that time loop is the only thing that beat Dormammu. And you could say that's, that's weak, but I mean, just have young children and just watch frozen after one time after another get stuck in that time loop, and you'll get a general idea of what Dormammu was going through. I don't know the amount of times that Dr. Strange went back to come to bargain with Dormammu. But he's a Dark Dimension destroyer of worlds. Like, that's a legit title. Like I think that's awesome. So I'm in and he's, he's wicked looking. And he's still voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch. So

Marc Valentine:

Wow.

Brian Ferguson:

Wow, I wasn't expecting that actually.

Duane Willey:

Either one of these coming.

Marc Valentine:

I didn't see either one of these. Those are both outstanding. Outstanding, Dwayne, go ahead, man.

Duane Willey:

I don't even know where to go from here. You guys kind of blew me away with that one. I guess I don't have an answer yet. So I'm still kind of kind of dealing with it here. But tell me a little bit more. You know about the whole you know, the deal with dr. strange kind of, you know, because he didn't defeat him but yet you know, he quit so that kind of I don't know I'm at a loss there. So Brian convinced me a little bit you know, he did quit

Bryan Lee:

um, yeah, he quit but I he wasn't he wasn't fully defeated. Which side note makes me so excited for the future of cosmic MCU stuff like dormammu could come back but he was such he was such a threat. You saw everything that happened in Hong Kong. Before the time stone went into that that time loop with Dormammu I, I think I mean, the amount of times the amount of ways he simply kills dr. strange shows how powerful he is in an in a snap no pun intended. But Dr. Strange just constantly kept being able to come back. But now that the timestone done it doesn't exist. There's nothing that can stop him.

Duane Willey:

Okay, all right, I like that. So I'm going to give not the jump in the host here but Brian with an I Give me one one last reason why I shouldn't choose

Brian Ferguson:

Well, there is a fantastic for did a really a wanted to use a curse word there but really, really did a terrible terrible job kind of introducing Galactus into movies. But if you if you look at what he is capable of doing, I mean the guy could be standing next to you or he can be 1000 foot tall, he can turn yourself into whatever he he has telekinesis powers, he has all these powers. He can he can destroy it, like say destroy planets and stuff. The movie does it no... does it no justice. He is one of the super villains of Marvel, one of the baddest so it's hard to explain without actually seeing it on the movies.

Marc Valentine:

Like in fairness to you to just jump in to like maybe help Dwayne just just as we just like wax poetic over the power that Carol has and how and how it seems like her power is broken from what we had been introduced to you in the MCU thus far. That's then we're, that's that's exactly what I'm saying is I think that her power is very overpowered given the cast of characters that we see her amongst right now. But when you look at in the grand scheme of like where Marvel's going and the cosmic phase, and you see some of the bads that are out there. I mean, like then you look at Carol, and you go Okay, like this, now it starts to make a little bit more sense to see what's out there like to kind of steal a page from Tony's book, when he says like, that's the end game. He was only partially right. You know, that that's just the tip of the sword in terms of like, the bad that's out in the universe, whether it's Dormammu, or Galactus it's like next level bad. Like and I agree with both of these guys. Like you couldn't put thanos up against one of these entities because their their their devours of worlds. You know, they're not just guys that will invade your planet. They're guys that will consume it whole. So it's like again, like I'm so like this category was a crazy crazy, so I'll kick it up here.

Duane Willey:

Yeah, well, flip a coin here. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go ahead and give Dormammu

Marc Valentine:

Wow, James, go ahead.

James Williams:

Alright, so Brian with a y. Part of your argument was a Dormammu, you know, stuck in that time loop. Right. And you use frozen as a reference. Well, he wasn't listening to let it go. It was It couldn't have been that bad. I don't think so. But now I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and go with with my boy Brian with an I on this one. Throw it to you, Marc.

Marc Valentine:

Brian. It's been a while for me since I've seen that really awful silver Silver Surfer movie a long time. I know that's all I have to go off of right now. He loses correct like Galactus does lose to the joint efforts of the Silver Surfer and or is he just is he also driven back?

Brian Ferguson:

I think he's driven back

Bryan Lee:

I think defeated is the right word. I don't think he's I don't but like neither. May May that may that may that franchise rest in peace.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, but my point being is neither neither that

Brian Ferguson:

That whole movie was defeated.

Marc Valentine:

Neither is like not neither one of these entities was destroyed. Like they were just like the tide was just temporarily stemmed so they're both very much out there. which is which is another thing to consider. You know this this is such it's so hard. It's a coin flip. Guys. It really is such a coin flip. Who like who terrified and and here's where I'm going to vote who terrifies me more. Who would I lose more sleep over that if they were coming to devour my planet. And I had a group of heroes a team of heroes to fight. I honestly believe I would have less faith in the team's ability to beat Dormammu then Galactus like I think Galactus can be beaten. I think Dormammu, I think Dormammu just got I literally think he just got TKO'd I don't think he I don't think he can be beaten without some kind of serious help.

Duane Willey:

I think he tapped out,

Marc Valentine:

I do I think he tapped out. But I don't know how. See the thing is is like I think Galactus can be beaten. I can't tell you why I have that feeling but I just feel like he can I feel like there there is defeat in the cards for him. That if there's enough heroes, if The situation is right. If you get the right powers and the right combination, I think you can win. There are things about Dormammu that just terrify me. And I don't even think I don't even think that he can be beaten. He just got he got timed out and there was a technicality. That Strange was like, we can't beat this guy, the best thing that I can just hope is to just keep him locked up here for eternity killing me. And I think that that would have by and large when it continued, you know, we're only presented with three or four minutes on film. But I think that that probably lasted in the time stones, you know, sort of in that time loop probably lasted forever, where he just finally said, you can kill me, you've killed me billions of times now. And I'll just stay here forever. And Dormammu looked at that situation and said, You know what, I can come back. I can come back. And I would be I would be terrified. Like I can't see I can't see the Avengers Carroll included in that having any kind of effect on Dormammu I think they could beat Galactus So Brian from United We fan. I got to give you I got to give you the victory here in the first Thunderdome. Brian. Listen, the two of you took it to a whole nother level though. I have to tell you like that last one was so unexpected. And that that argument alone is what has me so hype about phase four. And when we see in Spider Man far from home, when we see sword and we see them like blasting into the universe, and we know that it's going to be cosmic. And we know we have the eternals we know we have the multiverse of madness. That's what psyches me up so much and now with Fox coming on board and the hope that the MCU can really properly onboard the Fantastic Four. And we can get the First Family of Marvel in like that's what makes me so excited and that's why I'm so jacked up on Mountain Dew over the MCU lately

Bryan Lee:

Yeah, I just like when when we new villains were coming like I went through Okay, who are my favorite villains? And Dormammu was down down the list like Michael Keaton's vulture in in spider man homecoming is the most compelling villain in the MCU. I love I love that character. Mysterio is awesome. Obviously, Thanos is great. But there's two I want everybody to pay attention to coming in the MCU that we know for sure are coming in the MCU Galactus will eventually come I don't know if it's phase four. Fantastic, 4's coming, all that kind of stuff. But we've got gore the god butcher is being portrayed by Christian Bale and Thor love and thunder. He's gonna be an incredible villain. And the other one that we know for sure is coming. Jonathan majors is playing Kang the Conqueror in Ant Man and The Wasp quantum mania, which sounds like a theme park ride and it sounds awesome. And those two villains Keep your eye on them. Jonathan majors is Kang. He's probably a multiple film thing. I don't see Christian Bale signing on for a multiple MCU contract but but still gore the god butcher came to conquer. Man. There's so many good villains still coming. They haven't even touched.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, Brian and I were talking about Kang earlier today on the phone. And he's the he's the one that I am. So I'm so excited. Because you see how important he is. It's in the books and how central he is to the story. I was I would be shocked if he is not the big bad of phase four. To be honest with you.

Bryan Lee:

That's my bad that's my bad. I think he's the phase four Thanos.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, I think he he fits to with everything happening with the multiverse and the different timelines and the fact that he he is born from that and that he's traveled throughout all of these various universes trying to subjugate them all. I think that that's a safe bet on on who the big bad is

Bryan Lee:

he's also got a Richard's family lineage like he is family lineage to to Reed Richards and the fantastic for like if we get Reed Richards in quantum media, like oh man, sign me up.

Marc Valentine:

The Listen, I could. I love so one I love the Disney. I love the Thunderdome because it allows us to do stuff like this, the both of you like I knew that I knew that the two of you were the perfect two to enter in. Because this was so close. I mean, the skill that you both of you displayed in this combat was amazing. Brian is... It's like the Dormammu win he basically like neither one of you were defeated today. We just had, we've ran out of time. Literally. That's what happened here today. We've ran out of time. But I want to thank the two of you for coming. And as a plug too like you can check these guys out on our Marvel Monday show that every Monday we do a live stream on the Facebook page in the group and on YouTube, where we ask these guys to break down right now it's Wanda/Vision, but we're gonna we're gonna have them on all year. Because there's a lot of Marvel in the cards this year Ladies and gentlemen, so these guys are great in not just giving you like their, their obvious fans, but they're really great if you don't understand what you're watching they can give you just so much perspective. So Gentlemen, I say from the three of us as judges, thank you for your perspective. We thoroughly enjoyed it. Congratulations. Thank you to my thank you to my judges Dwayne Willie, my executive producer, social media extraordinary at this DisLife. James from mouse e rs and magic, an amazing podca t that we have on our network. So the two of them Brian are a b g part of the network. Brian L e just joined us for Marvel Mon ay and we're gonna have mark a well. So it's it's so funny. It s like he talked about al ernate universes we're gonna hav we'll have two marks to marks and to Brian's talking marvel a some point. But we're gonna g t his his co host from United we found another incredible podcast They do they do Marvel, Sta Wars, Indiana Jones, rig t like Br

Bryan Lee:

This week's episode is putting Adam Sandler's movies up against will Farrell's movies. It was a fun conversation. Yeah.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah, like that stuff is. Yeah, that stuff is just incredible. But we have. Yeah, we've got some really cool podcast episodes in the future. So thanks, guys for coming in and helping me out with the scheduling crunch. it wound up being a better a better episode that I that I had maybe anticipated. And I'm blessed to have you guys. Thank you so much for coming. And this is not the last time that you two will enter into the Thunderdome. I can assure you that

James Williams:

Mark I just gotta say, at some point I'll mouse ears and magic. We gotta get some redemption we're 0-2 to in the Thunderdome. It's just pitiful.

Brian Ferguson:

Hey, hey, I hear you, James.

James Williams:

Oh,

Marc Valentine:

well, listen, James, you and I both. We didn't lose we got dominated by Dwayne. So like, so like, yes, it was a victory for quote unquote, this DisLife in the first one. But it was it was somewhat embarrassing, like Dwayne, Dwayne came in. And he came in really timid to He's like, Hey, I hope I can hang with you all. And he dominated... He dominated. he lulled us

Duane Willey:

False sense of security. Yeah.

Marc Valentine:

But listen, as long as long as we have things to debate, the Thunderdome will live. And and this was this was born again from the cast member pantry stream. That I said, Listen, I want to have like a scored argument that I know the guys over at Wolf and Wookie. They have UFC cards, but we sort of combine the two to say let's do it all live. So instead of having a pod you know a podcast and then go in it's and then having a follow up. Let's all do it in one thing and get everybody in live. And no one knows what's going to happen. You just argue it and then like around the horn style like ESPN. We just score it live. And that that was the Thunderdome was born. So gentlemen, nice job. Bryan. You get bragging rights united fan takes home the trophy. You're and you're you're taking it from essentially from this Dislife. Until we meet again, gentlemen. So tell me tell us real quick too. And, and we don't normally end this way. But it is a bit of a live stream. And again, we're recording this live stream those of you that are listening to us on Apple and Spotify. we're taping this live it's going to be on YouTube. But Bryan from United fan tell us where can we find you.

Bryan Lee:

You can find us anywhere you find your podcasts. We don't do these live streams near as much but that cast member pantry event that Marc was talking about we were part of that as well. And shout out to Mouse ears and magic James and Brian. That was such a great event. Side note the next time you get Mark Davis on like I need to be there like I I have met that man at Star Wars Celebration on multiple occasions. I was at the Avengers endgame at Disney Springs when he was there like I need to. I need to be there. So please let me know.

James Williams:

We've been lucky enough to have him on 2 podcast actually.

Bryan Lee:

That's awesome.

James Williams:

And then he hopped on the cast member pantry that was that was completely unscheduled.

Bryan Lee:

That's awesome.

James Williams:

You can tell by our surprise but

Bryan Lee:

yeah, you can find us on Facebook and all that kind of stuff. And like Marc said, Marvel Mondays. I will opine about Marvel NOW Brian Ferguson knows way way and I want to put this out there knows way more about the comic books than I do. Like a lot of my comic book knowledge centers around the MCU and then it kind of spreads from there like I'll learn about something in the MCU and it spreads from there like Brian Ferguson's got it covered from that from that aspect. So I will I will bow to him for for all that kind of stuff. But if it's MCU I've got a pretty decent handle on it. Marvel Monday's a lot of fun Wanda/Vision is amazing. But united we found like I said this week Adam Sandler and Will Ferrell movies. And it was it's a fun conversation.

Marc Valentine:

It's always a good time there. Yeah. Brian and James, where can we find you guys?

James Williams:

You can find it again, anywhere, any podcast app, apple, Spotify iHeartRadio you know anything you can holler at your al e xa. I'm not gonna say that word I'm going to make you can just say hey, like moustiers magic podcast and it'll it'll kick on for you. We're also all of our stuff is live streamed on YouTube and Facebook so you can catch us over there. Facebook Mouseears and magic podcast as well as YouTube. Follow us on Instagram at Mouseears and magic pod with an underscore in between each word. And then obviously everyday we're hanging out in this dislife group. So you can always find us there and this week. So this is coming out two days after ours. So we actually had the man over here, Mr. Dwayne he joined us for self respecting man who love Disney shows a lot of fun.

Marc Valentine:

Yeah. For those that are just listening, we're we're always pointing at the wrong the wrong screen.

James Williams:

Wonder how many times did it take them to get the Brady Bunch right if they have this problem?

Marc Valentine:

I know well, if they're if their screen was was mirrored then yes, they had it.

James Williams:

Right.

Marc Valentine:

But Gentlemen, thank you so much for coming and and doing this I had a lot of fun. It's not the last Thunderdome episode that we record. We're gonna be live on youtube but this as well. But thank you so much guys for for hanging out with us here on Sunday night. I am My heart is full that I had I had a really crazy scheduling conflict today. It was nice to reach out to a group of friends and say, Hey guys, do you think we could get a card together in two hours and put together something that that came off and again I was so impressed. Brian when Brian threw out Galactus he took it to a whole nother level like he really he really pushed you at that point. Like he really he really challenged you to take it to that next level with Dormammu so you you know that in in a deb te when that when you start wit Galactus you know you've got the right panel to fight it out And this this will not be the last I will tell you guys wil not be the last Marvel Thu derdome that we have as wel . So, see you guys on Marvel Mon ay tomorrow at 830. Thank you so much to everyone who tun d in. Gentlemen, thank you aga n for joining us. Have a won erful week, everybody. Thank you for listening. And as alw ys, I hope that your week is fil ed with faith, trust and pix e dust. We'll see you real soo . Whether you're coming to Flo ida to visit Disney or the bea h, Hinson photography spe ializes in vacation por raits for families and cou les. a souvenir that you'll nev r forget. Visit www.hinsonp otography.com or call 386-478- 099 to learn more about boo ing vacation portraits with Hins n photography. That's www.hinson hotography.com